Some Pages Turned, Some Bridges Burned, But There Were Lessons Learned

I haven't written in a long-ass time!

Tue, 26 May 2009 22:46:32 GMT

So lately i don't know what to do with myself. (Bam, Bam, just don't know what to do with myself.) I feel nervous and lost because i don't have a summer job yet and the fact of the matter is I have bills and a new found love for all objects material. And with my new found D in English 430 (God Help Me!), I have a belly ache that won't quit. Btw, I'm still so upset at that D that i've hiden the paper and have REFUSE to look at it. Meanwhile my friends say that I shouldn't bitch because I have a good relationship and haven't had my heart broken as of lately.
I've also been partying as of late, to mask the fact that i have no moeny and no job. Not only that the anxiety of going to be planning a wedding in which i have no money but still want to obtain the dream. I know once my future hubby gets in gear with the job hunt and the job we will have the money to put away for that cause. The fact of the matter is that I have been soo independent in this relationship it is going to be difficult to put away the making -money-paying-for-everything-drea. My Defense and pride is being ripped apart in this process so much that it's tearing me apart and causing me undue stress. I realize that for all of my wacky-weirdness I was in a love affair with that freespirited can't tie her down girl and now I feel as though she has an Rest In Peace plaque on top of her metaphorical grave.

I Believe In Regina

Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:14:12 GMT

This is from the Myspace journal post of Miss Regina Spektor
While i think that the Israeli and Palestinian issues is a tough one and that problem is far bigger then
any one side or issues, i feel that her statement is intelligent and impressive and it portrays the way i
feel about this world situation!

Friday, January 16, 2009

Eretz Yisrael

Israel

When i realize how many times i decided not to, before i decided to, write this - i see why this is such a frightening time.When a Jew who loves Israel, who has been there, has played shows there, has visited there with family, with friends, feels this way, you know the fear is in you . As if Israel- the word itself, is so igniting, so dangerous, that it is better held inside.

There have been times like this before. Roughly 60 years before. And if people think that now is any different, they are mistaken. It's just that enough time has passed. And it seems it is our turn again. But when hasn't it been our turn...

Israel has been shelled. It has been hit with rockets for years. Years. Manchester, St. Louis, Leon, Munich, Copenhagen, Detroit, Madrid, Brisbane, Leeds, LA, Tokyo, these cities are not. But if they were, God forbid, their governments would be completely authorized and in the right to fight back.There is no government in the world that would not protect its citizens from attack. That's unlawful. And it's not sticks and stones, as many of my friends and relatives who live in Israel know. It's rockets. Is one of these things not like the other? Are there different laws and rules for a Jewish government? If you prick us do we not bleed?

And it is a nightmare. There are refugees. Casualties. A nightmare that happens over and over in this world. Those poor Palestinian people are being used as shields, and killed by extremists of their own government. And it is horrible and sad for the Israelis to see these people not be able to speak out against Hamas, whom they elected out of fear, because if they do, they will be killed. They are getting killed from both sides. Hamas shoots rockets out of schools and hospitals at Israel, and hopes for retaliation. Because it's not those Palestinian civilians that matter to them. It's the cause. The story. It's the propaganda machine that needs oiling with human shield blood.

To me it seems that the Palestinians and the Israelis are both being used by the World. They are both simultaneously scapegoats and decoys. And the World needs them that way. Because if they were gone, and the conflict was over, who would be the next target of the extremists.

I imagine this is the scenario that the World has in its sleepy mind: The World has just left the office. The World is walking home and taking its usual short cut. The alley it cuts through always makes its heart pound a little faster, but time saved is time saved, so it takes the shortcut every night on the way home to dinner. Over the course of its many walks home through the alley, the World has seen all kinds of muggings...The World has seen Israel get mugged, too. Sometimes harder, sometimes less. When this happens the World chooses one of three options... Option 1. Cross the street, pick up the pace, don't make eye contact, and get out of range of danger... Option 2. Go over to Israel and help fight the mugger off. But no. Those options are not what the World is choosing.

It's time for Option 3. Go over to Israel, and hold its arms back, hold it steady in place, and let the mugger beat it up good. Because the World thinks, innocently, of course, and full of fear in its beating heart, that if the mugger beats up Israel real good, good enough for a last breath, good enough so that when the World is making a short cut from the office, back home for dinner, there is no more Israel, and the mugger won't be there anymore, and the shortcut will be safe, and save time, and all will be great. So this is what happens. And the World walks home again. This time more relaxed, more at ease... A spring in its step.

And then the World feels a hand on its shoulder. Its the mugger. The World smiles. It makes a little bow. It tips its hat. Then the mugger starts mugging the World. "But I'm your friend, remember? I was the loudest denouncing Israel in public, remember? I helped you hold its arms back a little while ago, remember? Many times i helped you holding its arms back?..."

"But I'm a mugger." the mugger says."And I mug." the mugger says. "And you are next." the mugger says. And the mugger waits for someone else to take a short cut, to help out with the mugging in the hopes that they will be spared, and then they will be next... and so on, and so forth, and that's how it works.

But everyone is afraid. They are afraid of extremists in their midst. And i am too. We all should be. There is something terrifying about people who hate you more than they love themselves. People who would cover themselves with children, in order to kill and not be killed. And just because we have become allergic to "The War on Terror" and all those other co-opted expressions that were used to drag us, against our will, against our millions of people around the world peace protests, into a horrible war in Iraq, in the name of oil; doesn't mean there aren't terrorists in the world.

Our media is full of propaganda on all sides. Every side is skewed. There is no unbiased news. Its like fast food. There are so many choices, but an illusion of choices. There is McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's. There's even Taco Bell if you really want to branch out. And so i choose. I choose the media that seems to reflect more of who i am. And I tend to choose the more liberal news. I am a Liberal in almost every sense of the word. I believe in protecting Civil Liberties as carefully as we protect the dearest things to us, but not with guns. I think guns are the cause of countless preventable tragedies in the households of Americans. I believe in Equality. In ending all Racism, Homophobia, and Sexism. I believe that government has a duty to help its citizens grow through education, help the elderly, have health care, and that it's not "each for himself". But I don't believe they have a right to spy on me. I believe in the freedom of Choice. I support a woman's right to have an abortion if she feels it necessary in her life. I believe in Barack Obama. I supported him with all my heart. I have never felt as strongly about a politician in my life. And in a few days he will be our president. This is a short list of my left, my Liberal, my closest media self.

I do not agree with the Liberal Media when it comes to Israel. I have never seen such one sided reporting in my life. And I've seen some amazing propaganda growing up in the Soviet Union. I have never seen a group of people so determined to portray Israeli people, Israeli soldiers, as blood thirsty, inhumane monsters. I am not a politician. I am sure there's a great political reason for this kind of reporting. For this kind of misrepresentation. I am sure there's a great reason for my hearing on a UK television set, while getting ready to play one of the festivals a couple of years back, a reporter saying, in a tragic voice with a tragic face "At this moment Hezbollah is fighting for its very existence." As if Hezbollah was a kitten that fell down a well, and not a terrorizing organization, and that Israel was the one who threw it down there. I'm sure there's a reason. And i think the reason is fear. And i think the reason is the same reason i was deciding and undeciding and deciding and undeciding whether to write this.

But this is the world we live in. We should not deny that we are all scared. We are scared of planes, of crowds, of everything. We are so scared. Sometimes it feels that if there were no more Jews, or Israel (for the two are synonymous- Israel is the geographic embodiment of the nation) all of this would stop. Even some Jews feel that way. Many of us try to un-Jew ourselves all the time. It comes from a mixture of fear, guilt of surviving while others didn't, and embarrassment. We are the root of our and the World's problems, it seems. It is the Jews themselves that you will hear speak out most strongly against Israel. The instinct that drives them is the same instinct that drove them to blend in, and then be very surprised when they were put in the ghetto, too. The were surprised when they were put on the train, too. They were surprised when they were put in the gas chamber, too. They were surprised all the way till Death. Because "they weren't like those OTHER Jews"... Well. A Jew is a Jew is a Jew is a Jew.

And if anyone thinks that speaking out against Israel is anything other than thinly veiled anti-semitism, they are deeply mistaken.

"Maybe if i am quiet and at the back of the class and look down they won't notice." That should not be the motto of the World. Nor should "Maybe if I'm the loudest to condemn Israel, they'll remember me as a friend later." Because eventually, when there is only you left in the class, you will get noticed. We all will.

And I don't believe in good and evil. I believe that we cultivate fractions of qualities within ourselves like a delicate chemistry experiment, with droppers of human traits into a beaker or a test tube. And all those properties are ever changing. And the good ones stem from our love of self, and understanding of self. And the bad ones stem from fear. There is nothing that makes one a better person than realizing what you fear, why you fear it, and how that makes you closed off to others, and blame others...

I believe in God, and am a Jew, and yet i love all people of other faiths, and people of no faith, with my whole heart, so i know that it is possible. I love America, and Israel, and my mother country Russia, and all the countries i have had the honor and privilege to visit, and the countries that i have yet to visit in the future, and the countries i will never have the chance to visit in my lifetime, and so i know that it is possible. I love Humans and I love Nature, though from the beginning of time they have been destroying each other, and i love them both, and so i know that it is possible. And I feel that love without paradox. Without feeling for one at the expense of another. And so i know that it is possible.

I wish for peace in Israel. I wish for as many people on all sides of the conflict to survive in a healthy and safe way. I wish for us all to find our inner and outer and every type of peace we can muster... I wish for peace in the world. And my thoughts are with Israel... and with all of you.

Shabbat Shalom

regina

P.S. i understand that this is a very sensitive subject and i write this as a letter... a letter to which i am not seeking responses (i will not post comments because that's not what this is about, to me...) this is my own comment to myself, but out loud. a way of expressing thoughts and feelings about what i have heard and witnessed thus far... this is not meant to hurt anyone, and it is meant for me, as much as for anyone else...

i send you all good wishes and lots of love, wherever, and whomever you are...

All that jazz... and maybe a li' bit of drama.

Thu, 20 Nov 2008 01:13:17 GMT

I've been super busy with all the happening going on in my life. There was the Bachelorette Madness...

with the bumping and grinding...

And all the STRIPPAHS!!!!

I'm sooo happy for my friend Nicole this was the happiness that she deserved because.
And this......

Gotta be happy for my self too. Its a big step but he is the ONE.

I Heart youtube!

Thu, 18 Sep 2008 02:28:18 GMT

Tomorrow school starts and i'm kind of excited but i hope that i get all my classes because i registered late. lame. meanwhile i have no money because i'm saving up for something BIG!!!!! So big i can't tell you guys...cause someone will kill me. I might be able to spill the beans this December which will mean that the beans will be on the floor and the cat outta the bag. In others words no fun for me for a long time. Grrr!

Weird things.

Summer OH eight!

Thu, 04 Sep 2008 03:01:16 GMT

Leave it the the summer to teach you who your real friends are and leave it to the summer to challenge everything you know. For me and camp well same old drama only with new people that i thought would never be caught in that bullshit. Which has been giving me the general feeling that all of my closest friends are going to abandon at one point or another and that makes me bitter. To which i pose a question... what the FUCK is up with people not staying true to themselves or their friends? Do infleunces really sway opinion that MUCH? I know i have been the same dork since day 1, uncomprimisingly dorky and honest. I don't wanna do something i don't, i go for what is best for me and at the same time would give away my last two times for a true friend.

Times with me and Tom were again rough this summer and i think its because its harder for us to be apart. Our probelms? I'm Fucked if i know... it goes something like this:

Me: I can't call you i feel like i get in trouble for not callling you sooner.
Him: You forget about me when your in camp.
Me: I call you when i'm HAPPY!
Him: Do you call me when you get in to town?
Me: Your the thing i think about most every night!
Him: You call me and then fall asleep right away.

Long story short Relatiosnhips are TOUGH! Hmmph! But things are good no that we have both had days of kissies. :D

My brother PheeLOP are closer then ever thanks to the douche bag of an ex-girlfriend he had

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Temporary Tomato OutRage!

Mon, 09 Jun 2008 03:52:28 GMT

So tomorrow i go up to camp... I'm already missing my tommy because it going to be a long time before i see him again... For those of you who do long distances relationships(namely..Nicole) you know that this is a tough one. But otherwise im excited for my BROWN RAG.. which has been long overdue because Goose has been totally lax.

Weird Stuff has happened in the last couple of days. And other then finals i guess there is too much of it to write in one post. Or perhaps too complicated. So finals... shit... I'M sooo glad thats over.

So there is no Tomatoes at Jack in The Box as of late.... yeah i know know... WHAT an outrage.

I don't know... But anyways here's to drinking in the woods.

I want to be apart of this club. PLEASE.

Accomplishments

Tue, 03 Jun 2008 03:56:32 GMT

So I'm typing to you from my shmanzy pants brand SPANKING NEW laptop! eep with joy! Also i have a IPod to accompany it. Who said hard work doesn't pay off...?!

Yup....Finals are a BITCH! Thats about it. nothing new.....other than I saw SEX And The CITY!!! Woot! best girly continuation of a series EVER! Lots of sex and eye candy. Drinking cosmos wasn't bad either.

Artists of the Moment

Wed, 21 May 2008 05:10:01 GMT

Amazing I know...

There are times like these... that Life sucks.. Preformance Art?

Thu, 15 May 2008 05:08:51 GMT

I just.. can't help it. I feel like shit. You know the shit where you wanna cry for just no reason and nothing makes sense because the only sanity you have left its like four weeks away.....

i have my lovely boyfriend and it sucks because he doesn't know what to do to make me feel better.. except let me ditch class once in a while. It doesn't matter anyways i have a handle on most of my classes and what ever i do. But then i get all internal and emotional and i have like this huge part about me that needs to be sooo FuCkING FRIENDLY To EVERYone.

And So i just end up regreting things that aren't even in my fault.

Also there was an Interdisciplinarity dance/ theatre performance at school.

" Can YOU hear ME now?"

"Take my picture, I am a FUCKING Sexy BEAST!"

"MYSPACE!"

As you may have guess its those crazy people that bounce around and call themselves performance artists.

I want YOU to make me!

Sat, 03 May 2008 02:52:47 GMT

http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-crochet-a-Nintendo-DS-case-for-the-Lion-Br/

Your Mom!

Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:41:06 GMT

A smart person once told me "you know Drea, there are people in your life that are mentioned a sentence, a paragraph, a page, a chapter, and sometimes there are is a person throughout the whole damn BOOK!" That is what life has been like for me and through the inter-weavings of my life i have been struggling to juggle them all. In any case perhaps it is best to just let things be for a while even though i worry if i leave them alone for too long that i might not have a job for the summer. Maybe that is mainly attributed to my paranoia and sense that everyone is scrutinizing me like a bug under the magnifying glass.

Also my uncle is in jail due to the fact that he stabbed my aunt (in-law) with a screw driver.

RELIEF! That no good of an uncle of mine needs some serious jail time.
At any rate I NEED A LAPTOP! one with wireless capablities.

Just to say...

Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:23:49 GMT

Everything is really random in my life. haha understatement..! But so far today was an excellent day it had a WoOing charm about it. Tutor training blah,blah,blah...OSHA... Blah, Blah,Blah. So we left early because it was a fire hazard to have that many people at the training because some idiot overbooked it.

The Zelda game for the Ds occupies my time now, that and school which is fun.

Also.. i'm thinking about a minor in theatre. That might suck because its another 38 units.

Also the next time Ms. Regina Spektor comes to town we should see her (we meaning whoever wants to go cause my boyfriend is lame and won't want to take me.)

Random Comment i started working on an old picture that i drew and never finished. i never drew in the background and settled on the park that we used to hang out in, it seemed appropriate. I don't know perhaps i'll give it away after, i just don't know how to feel the whole coloring 'it' thing.

Ass a' kickin'

Sat, 05 Apr 2008 23:12:20 GMT

So that jerk that Dhali was dating in high school is in my art 400 class and i wanna kick his ass, especially cause it took me awhile to realize who he was cause he thinks he is all super cool with his new found facial hair.

This leads me to wonder how my dollface is.... and what she is doing in this world.

i miss her.

Fri, 04 Apr 2008 04:35:22 GMT

Wednesday MAY 21 2008

@ the Wiltern The Dresden Dolls

EeeeP!

Whose going with me? lol

Happy Days...

Wed, 26 Mar 2008 04:47:12 GMT

So what do you do when you lose your MARIO KART for the DS... grr
And i hate the WEB CT stuff and the whole CSULA web page. And i hate not getting money.

RANT. RANT. RANT.

Poo ....SHIT!

Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:44:50 GMT

So i've been really busy dealing with H.R (Human Resources) aka STUPID! This is all due to the idiocy of my boss who never gave me the hiring packet with the w-4 forms and the whole direct deposit slips and all that junk. not only she was like are you sure i that you didn't sing anything because i think i gave it to you. "THINK" is not for sure and needless to say that three pay periods later i am NOT a happy camper! ( no pun intended) I called them 5 times yesterday and got the whole bureaucratic run-around. Finally today i got some help from a woman in accounts payable to help me because everyone in that downtown office is retarded (....grrF) and she helped me because there is only like one H.R person. ( That's right ... ONE).

Stupid.

I'm glad its finally over even though they gave me only one check because the couldn't find my other time sheets. But still its something and for people who gotta pay bills its Relief!!!

So see me the amazing Drea at C.S.U.L.A this spring quarter.
subject to availability. must show proof of purchase. valid id required.

What The New Year Brings...

Sun, 24 Feb 2008 08:00:34 GMT

Year 2008 Overview

Leo

Dramatic, dynamic and compassionate Leo starts the year working hard to discover new ways to express practical ideals by connecting to inner wisdom. You will realize how everything you do in your life affects the entire world on some level. Feeling a need to change and re-evaluate your personal values and all that you hold sacred has been a regular exercise for you, both personally and financially.

Deep and profound changes and blessings await you as you freely give your energy to help others and take a hard look at your personal values in relationship to your resources. Some of the blocks you may have been feeling in your personal life and not knowing which direction to go will be lifted. By the spring, you will be feeling more grounded and secure, and a little more compassionate and tolerant of others. Comfort, relaxation and being mindful are all very important factors that inspire you to live a healthy life. You enjoy nature, so consider gardening to maintain your sunny disposition.

As much as you dream of having a perfect partnership, you have had to work out a lot of your own personal values to know what you really want. It's good to clarify these wants, so that by summer you will be able to put more of your focus into giving your relationship the time and energy it needs. Things will become much more interesting for you by the end of summer. New and wonderful opportunities to enjoy innovative pursuits will enable you to enjoy your creature comforts in the home that you so proudly feel is your sanctuary.

So Far so good...

Burning the candle at both ends....

Mon, 11 Feb 2008 07:35:54 GMT

SOOOO tired.

Working at See's is making me tired and fat.
KIDS= Smelly.
I just want a HAIR CUT!!!

Will post pics!!

SHout out to cardcityrocker.... because he is AWESOME!

More than enough....

Sun, 03 Feb 2008 10:09:17 GMT

It is weird... this part of me that's healing.

I saw a scarf just like mine with a heart patch. I saw some guy toting
around a backpack with a plastic plate that said beefy.
It is an uneasy feeling.

So my NEW tutoring job dealing with horny adolescent
preteens is interesting. I'm learning that i have ALOT more
patience then i ever thought i had. I want to be one of those tutors
that make a difference, one that the kids can relate with/respect/love..etc.

Its like a waiting game to to go to CSULA and just when i thought things
where going to get easier....bumps in the road.

There are bright things in my future, more time will tell just where
all of this is leading me.

Also I want LEGO BATMAN for the DS sooo bad.

The Aquarium of the Pacific Comercial...

Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:50:00 GMT

Every time i see the octopus i think i want sushi... is that BAD?

This is going to be a long one...

Sun, 16 Dec 2007 03:49:23 GMT

And so this whole situation is not what i intended and so far it has spiraled out of control. I wanted to keep
this private until i got the chance to talk to her face to face. After all thats been said its not worth it. So I'll post.
I'm sorry there are so many bitter feelings but i am not sorry for what i did and why.

The Story: The summer began like any other. Then it became stressful, overwhelmingly so.
And so i get a call from tom, my boyfriend and he needs to talk. He tells me a story. He had begun to
hang out with a mutual Friend of ours and She tells him a "funny story" something that reminded her
of something that happened. "Eskimo Kisses"she called it.
Cut to a Few Months Before: While hanging out at a party a boy flirts with me and while be under the
influence of alcohol he think perhaps that i was flirting with him. He swoops in and to flirts with me
he gives me Eskimo Kisses. Stunned i leave and run up to the best friend of my life. My Cat, she is
with out a doubt the strangest and coolest character i had met. I had adored her. I told her what happened.
We giggled like girls. And we both knew that it was no BIG DEAL but she knew i didn't want to tell my
boyfriend, i didn't want him to worry about other boys hitting on me. She agreed not to say anything.
Cut Back to the Summer: Was it true he wanted to know. Did i like other boys? Did i want to see other people?
Maybe it was my fault, I'll admit that. But a betrayal of trust on her part. I felt hurt and wondered why a person
who had my trust would go there. Or why she had constantly done this to me time and time again.
It was me. I let her walk all over me.So i told him not to hang out with her...SO. Whatever her reason i'm pretty
sure she did not forget what she said and if she did it shows her lack of consideration. but then
i knew this. I knew her.

And so i don't hold any animosity. I was very angry. I needed time in the summer to collect my
thoughts and the 5 miles up a dirt road with hardly any service and one outside line that had to dial an
outside line in big bear did me some good. I tried to approach her after. She had excuses....Hell i left her a note! Then i thought i'd give it some time. Guess that didn't work
Maybe she would grow balls and talk to me. She didn't. So whatever. I Did love her. Still do.
though i can't trust her
as far as i can throw her.

So when things go wrong I'll just brush it off.

I hope this explains things Woo!

What.....

Thu, 13 Dec 2007 01:48:20 GMT

Do I look like this?

Oh Me!

Tue, 11 Dec 2007 04:03:11 GMT

I Have been working like a mad woman and it pays off!
First of all I got in Cal State LA!

Second of all i've been working like a dog. From SM (Stage Managing) a ten minute one act to
ASM( Assistant Stage Managing) No Suicide in Spring. Then to working (and that will be two jobs on tomorrow) Then
i worked the Blithe Spirt Show by doing the make-up.Then studying for my test last sat. to doing a take home test from that very class to getting ready for my final starting sat. im beat. Also i have been sick! Heavily sick with the stomach flu which turn into a cold.

I Just really want a moment to hang out and not be ambushed by things/people/places/events.

I can't wait for cookie day either. that's if i don't sneeze on them.

And then there are the days like this...

Sat, 01 Dec 2007 04:59:25 GMT

I Hate Actors. Nuff' Said.
Thats probably why i don't want to be one.
I been so busy with SM and ASM thing going on i barely have time for me.
And whats worse is that i feel pulled all sorts of different ways to do things.
The driving though is coming along and perhaps a car will be instore for this poor little
girl working and surviving on her own little paycheck and paying her way througheverything.
My Aunt jokingly said looks like you on the four year plan there for a while. Well what do expect
when i don't have family to count on.
All my REAL family left or moved away.

Turkey!

Sat, 24 Nov 2007 03:48:00 GMT

i had a rather unusual holiday... well it always unusual at my house but yeah i didn't get to make the the bread
pudding i wanted or anything but whatever. I also had to talk my dramatic drunk uncle from hanging himself and almost ruining thanksgiving.

Lets put it this way. i told him that he'd break my moms potted plants and she'd get mad and i shoo'd him away.

Damn my mom makes bomb ass turkey and i stuffed rosemary under the legs and made my own cranberry relish.